Ryan Coogler vs. Joss Whedon
this is the difference between a director who sees female characters as fully developed people with agency vs a director who just sees female characters as hot, fuckable things
what-alchemy
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Ryan Coogler vs. Joss Whedon
this is the difference between a director who sees female characters as fully developed people with agency vs a director who just sees female characters as hot, fuckable things
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Friendly reminder that asexuality exists.
I feel the need to point this out because I saw something today that made me kinda angry.
People are already playing the queer baiting card on amazon due to the Azi/Crowley valentine card they put out. In the various comments about this I have seen two things stand out that really really bother me.
1. People who are angry about Neil saying that Aziraphale isn’t gay and using that angels are sexless as an excuse.
This is literally what the reality would be. I know I conflate them as being gay because they are general male in presentation but legitimately they don’t have to be male, they don’t even have to present as being same sex. It would be generally much more accurate to say they are pansexual placing any sexuality they may have somewhat outside of the concept or biological sex and gender.
And the thing that really made me decide to write this:
2. I saw someone suggest that it was ridiculous to present two male characters who had had nobody but each other for thousands of years as not being together and that it only happens to make the generally straight audience comfortable.
a) they are not male characters! At least not really. And assuming biological gender based on appearance is one of those things we really need to get better about.
b) we know that Az and Crowley crossed paths often but in the book we are lead very much to believe that the constant companionship in their relationship really forms out of the time the spend working on ‘raising’ Adam. I always got the impression that while the both have feelings for each other it wasn’t something that would have been acted upon until post apocowasn’t.
c) people can have deep feelings for each other without constant displays of overt affection. Just because you don’t seem them make out on screen, something that would be totally counter to the story being told, doesn’t mean they aren’t in love. I think Michael Sheen really does have it right that Aziraphale is desperate not to let Crowley see his feelings. If they haven’t admitted the feelings to each other, or even themselves, then it wouldn’t make sense to portray them as a full on couple.
d) people seem not to consider the fact that asexual people exist and our favorite angel and demon may very well be asexual. This falls perfectly in line with Neil’s statements regarding sex. The idea that angels have to ‘make an effort’ to not be sexless speaks very much to me as someone who identifies with being ace. The can be romantically involved without physicality just as much as they could be physical with each other without being in love.
I just feel like these constant complaints about queer baiting
a) ignore the existence of subtext as a thing that should not have to be textually authenticated
b) ignores the concept of them being in love but not yet together and then gets angry when a story, that is not about them getting together, doesn’t show them get together
c) ignores the feelings of us asexual folks that look at a relationship like Crowley and Aziraphale and put ourselves in those shoes, hoping someday we will find someone to love like that without the pressure of sexual intimacy or performative affection.
In short, they could really fuck things up in this show, but given the actor’s comments I think it will be ok.
I think we will get plenty of the little looks and pauses that show the beginnings of romantic interest without a blatant statement of their being together or being sexually involved.
I dunno, sorry about ranting but for the first time ever I kind felt like the commentary I was seeing was literally discounting the possibilities of an ace reading or of alternate gender readings of the characters and it really bothered me that people being upset about representation would inadvertently devalue something like that.
The number of times I have been delighted by witty banter only to find out later that I was “Flirting” is both unfortunate and disappointing.
“haha so what about that guy, huh?”
Me: what about him
“Well you seemed super into him”
Me: what why
“…dude you were flirting all night”
Me:
Me: Whoms't™™
I found out several of my female coworkers were planning on trying to get our male coworker to ask me out because “You guys kept flirting” but I was like “We were literally just goofing around. Like we literally just told jokes to each other. Literally just stuff that friends do, the same stuff you and I do.” I was definitely 100% NOT flirting but everyone thought I was
“You were laughing at everything TJ did!”
“He paper clipped a banana to the ceiling, Isabelle. That’s fucking bonkers”