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Early Jim Kirk: Why So Serious?

To the people who said that Paul Wesley's Captain Kirk was "too serious" or that it "wasn't our Jim Kirk":

Let's have a kiki, shall we? :)

A lot of folks seem to forget who Jim used to be before meeting him in TOS.

In an interview, Paul Wesley discussed how different Jim's early character and life was from TOS Kirk. Wesley's study of Jim and his early characterisation was in fact based on TOS descriptions and relevant lore surrounding it. I was not at all phased by the Jim we saw, as early Jim is described as quite a departure from our flirty, confident TOS Jim. Wesley did his homework.

From the chat that Kirk has with Gary Mitchell in TOS (Where No Man Has Gone Before 01x03) and Bones in Shore Leave (01x15) re: Finnegan, we learned in Jim's younger years, Kirk didn't always have that swagger. In fact, Jim used to be a rather serious nerd.

Kirk in the academy was described as "a stack of books with legs", "positively grim", and "watch out for Lieutenant Kirk. In his class, you either think or sink".

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He also adhered to Starfleet rules far more in his early years a la Boimler. For example, he reported an error that older officer and very good friend of his Benjamin Finney made on the USS Republic, leading to Finney's demotion and later the events of Court Martial (01x20). He reported one of his own besties to HQ and got him demoted. Quite a departure from how often Kirk violates Starfleet orders and directives for Spock on TOS. Again, he is not the same Jim. Character growth.

I think folks get so wrapped up in Spock being the thinking guy and Kirk being the action guy that they forget: You kind of have to be a brilliant genius and thinker to even get a starship command, let alone the flagship. Jim is not dumb and never was; he is exceptionally smart. Spock is just a freaking GIGA GENIUS and anyone standing next to that might look less bright in contrast. But make no mistake, Jim is also brilliant as a military man and diplomat.

Jim is often stereotyped as a swaggering meathead when he is actually an intelligent and capable diplomat even from his earliest years with Starfleet. As a cadet, he was decorated by Starfleet with the Palm Leaf for his peace mission work on Axanar (Court Martial 01x20). As a Captain, Jim helped to complete just as many successful federation member recruitments as he did take names and kick ass.

Jim loves chess. He loves his dad's old books and classic literature. He memorizes quotes from those texts and references them constantly in TOS. How many jocks do you know out here memorizing classic literature to reference even now in our time? One of Jim's most precious, prized possessions is an old text copy of "A Tale of Two Cities" he got as a gift for his birthday from Spock.

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There are still those glimpses of old Jim planted throughout TOS and the movies.

As you examine him and his past, every description of him as a young man in the original series was that he was a nerd. Kirk, as a character, shows how much we change as people from high school/uni to adulthood.

The early Jim Kirk is not the Kirk we knew and loved, and he often comes as a surprise to folks accustomed to the Jim he later becomes. He grows into his own over time and finds himself, like many of us. But Wesley's portrayal seemed surprisingly apt to me, considering early descriptions of James T. Kirk's character.

TLDR: Jim Kirk was described in his early years as "serious", "positively grim", "a stack of books with legs", top of his class, and would report you to HQ for a crumb. This is not the Captain Kirk you knew who took command of the Enterprise in 2265. Jim Kirk used to be a serious, passionate Starfleet nerd.

All in all, I thought Paul Wesley's character study with all this considered was

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Anyway, thanks for coming to my Ted X Talk about baby James Tiberius Kirk.

I'd love to hear from you folks, feel free to chip in, add to this or correct any errors. :) LLAP.🖖

departmentq

<Time again, to dust this off>

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@departmentq Thank you so much for linking the "Kirk drift" info, it is exactly what I am talking about and that write up is spectacular! Reblogging to include your addition. :) Thanks again!

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"Where is the glint in his eye?"

OOF! That's good. And true.

This is such a fantastic way of putting it!

I feel like we get a hint of why that is when Jim comes aboard the Enterprise; Sam promptly makes a comment about Jim being jealous about the ship.

It's no secret: Jim wanted the Enterprise. That was his dream. And in that incarnation, he didn't get it and was assigned the Farragut instead of the flagship for his Captaincy.

And on the Farragut, he doesn't have Spock. That team that comes up with inventive ideas and creates that spark that makes the job exciting. Mentally, Spock and Jim are a good pairing that brings out the best in each other. They're a great team that challenges and elevates one another. I guess we get to see what it is like when Jim doesn't have that.

It is kind of sad when you think about it, but Sam sums it up pretty well: Jim is jealous. He wanted the Enterprise. (And he's also down his chess buddy slash partner in crime). That Jim isn't living the dream that Kirk Prime got to have and I guess it shows.

It makes a world of sense the longer I wend on it; of course he doesn't have that spark. He doesn't have the Enterprise. He doesn't have the finest crew in the fleet. And he doesn't have Spock.

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Adore this break down and analysis. It has made me re-evaluate the choices they made with the alternate history Kirk in the last ep of SNW. The only hold out I still have is that his stance against war is fundamental to who he is and I would argue, probably was from an early age. At a young age he saw famine and mass executions at the hands of Kodos and said no thank you. He like a tussle of course - but a fair one on one tussle. I still feel like even in this alternate timeline having him be one of those riding to attack the romulans left a bad taste in my mouth. However, he couldn’t agree with Pike for the story to work so I also accept that that might have just needed to have been different to service the plot. But yeah all in all this has made me re-evaluate my grimer outlook of the possibilities in Kirk.

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For those playing along at home I am 2k into this spirk fic. It will probably take me a while to get there because I've got to write it all and then I have to massage and polish it for a while. So yeah just a lil update I guess.

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Basic idea: SNW Spock and Kirk run into a race of aliens that are so dangerous to humans they can’t look at/hear/make noise around them without taking severe damage. So Spock uses the mind meld to wordlessly get them out. Also Spock is like oh no I’m having a feeling.

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To my spirk peeps who are still keen if there are any of ye out there - I am back working on this fic again. I’m not over my new sweet babes from OFMD and WWDITS (TV and Film) and will still be slinging their art but I’ve made so so so much fanart that working on fic is like kind of a nice change of pace. So yeah. Not abandoned just taking my time. I’m actually wondering if it will be 2 chapters instead of a long one-shot. I’ll see how I feel about it when I’m closer to the polishing stage.

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if jim learned abt the vulcan hand thing from a book he'd probably go the next week hyper-aware of spock's hands. he'd chalk it up to a heightened sense of cultural sensitivity, but there's no good way to explain his frustration when a woman almost touches spock's fingers or his odd excitement when spock hands him objects. eventually spock grabs his wrist while they're running to get away from some awful alien creature and the whole time jim thinks he's going to go insane

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For those playing along at home I am 2k into this spirk fic. It will probably take me a while to get there because I’ve got to write it all and then I have to massage and polish it for a while. So yeah just a lil update I guess.

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Basic idea: SNW Spock and Kirk run into a race of aliens that are so dangerous to humans they can’t look at/hear/make noise around them without taking severe damage. So Spock uses the mind meld to wordlessly get them out. Also Spock is like oh no I’m having a feeling.

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I’ve written an outline for a fic based on this drawing and and am trying to decide if I’ll be able to do it or not. On one hand it’s a good idea and I like it and it should be only 1 chapter. A long chapter maybe but 1 chapter none the less. On the other hand I don’t know what Wesley’s Kirk will be like so how I write him is probably going to be wrong. Anyway here’s the high level idea: https://seraph5.tumblr.com/post/679245828820484097/snw-spock-and-kirk-run-into-a-race-of-aliens-that

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You know I had my initial freak out about the new Kirk and now with some time and a little photo gathering I can like see it enough to give him a chance. I know magnanimous of me, a nobody, who has never seen him act. Could he be curvier? Yes. Could he be shorter? Yes. Could he be less stereotypically handsome? Yes. These are also not really important if he can do Kirk. Shatner isn’t a great actor but he was a great Kirk. Sometimes roles elevate the performer and this role has a lot of meat on it, a lot of potential. I guess in a year’s time we’ll see what he’ll do with it.

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(my fan cast was Phil Dunster from Ted Lasso. I don’t even know if he can do an American accent but God he could have done the rest. But that’s in the past now. This is the new Kirk we have)

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You know what’s funny. I think Roddenberry accidentally created the greatest love story in Spock and Kirk. The more I look into how he created them and why they are such a unit every creative choice was him creating a metaphor for soulmates or showing the markers of relationships. I’ve run across many accounts of their creation and understanding the creative process I imagine all of them are, to an extent, true.

- Kirk and Spock being a single character broken into 2 (soulmates/call me by your name phenomenon)

- allowing those parts of the self to commune and contemplate and react to each other in an intimate way because there is automatically an intimacy between two halfs of the one whole. They literally complete each other.

- kirk representing the passion and Spock the logic (you kind of see this a bit in relationships sometimes when one person is like the loud one and the other one is like the one that plans haha it seems like a wishy washy point but I believe it stands)

- in response to Spock’s popularity (in my belief particularly because he reflected humanities struggle with emotion, emotional acceptance/ honesty and truth) Gene asked Issac Asimov how to ensure Kirk didn’t fall into the background and Asimov responded “make them a team so when people think of Spock they think of Kirk”. Good relationships are like a team of 2. When you think of Spock you think immediately of kirk. No other person or thing really comes between them in terms of “what comes first in each other’s lives” except maybe the ship but that is something they both share/cherish and care for and would also both sacrifice for each other.

- gene had wanted to include a gay relationship on screen but assumed he would be taken off air and while his reactions to the idea of Kirk and Spock being together have varied it’s never been a definitive no absolutely not. As we know there’s even been a few times where he’s added nods to the possibility with the invention of Th'y'la and his admission that their love for each other was sufficient for sexual intimacy.

Less salient points in support of Spock and Kirk as an actual real thing

- this is obviously a side point not really about thier creation but paramount gave the thumbs up to the most homoerotic subtext in the star trek pulp series. Did they say it was not canon? Yes. But did they approve Spock giving Kirk a naked mind meld that made Kirk melt into him? Yes. Did they approve a poem that is strongly suggested is written by Spock where his love for his captain is written on his heart? Yes. Did they give a thumbs up to Spock and Kirk rolling around in the grass while Spock is in heat? Yes. COME ON.

- there’s a lot of interpretations of kirks sexuality but for me the first time I saw it, without any context of spirk and the broader star trek lore, I assumed Kirk was a very sexual person and that he was not bound by gender/race/alien type. The impression was very much ‘if they’re compatible then I’m down". He’s a very touch based person. He’s cheeky to the extent that it really comes off as flirty with most people. I wanna say he dresses provocatively but it’s not his fault the uniforms fit him like th-(not relevant). Do I think he’s a womanizer? No. Do I think he’s a sexual pan/bi guy that doesn’t go wanting? Yes.

Anyway in conclusion greatest accidental and legitimate love story.

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